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The Australian Championship Thread

southoftheyarra said:
Ok you changed my mind it will fix 15% of the leagues issues, but we are speculating that the league will be ran well sort of? Idk I hope its successful.
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are we unique in running our leagues badly? If so why?
You would think that if the apl runs the a league and the fa runs the nst that on average at least one of those leagues is run ok at any one time haha
 
grazorblade said:
Probably a response of "the league is already too small and clubs like brisbane, perth and jets are barely holding on. They would die in the npl. You can't just replace them with other teams either because they are still getting bigger crowds than most nsl clubs did". I think most aleague reddit people see p&r as a luxury rather than a wise investment
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Yep it goes with their narrow minded view on it, as much they are important markets and pathways you can’t just give them a free pass for being poor on the field because it effects the product on TV in any case.
 
LFC said:
If they can’t see what that brings they are more idiots than we think.
Go watch USA sports
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my impression is that most in a league reddit see it as a luxury, like a cherry on top that is fun for fans rather than a wise investment
having said that, when I present the academic research of p&r I get shouted down (mostly by novel to be fair who may not be representitive)
 
NicCarBel said:
I've said it before - you can't have a conference set up with the state based model. There's too much logistics to make it work. Only way to make it work with the current landscape, is that once a club reaches that 'conference' league, they are not recognised as a club from a specific state for that purpose. If that makes sense.
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I do worry about 9 leagues into 1 - does that happen anywhere else in world football?

To cover the travel costs would be 4mil a year for 2 conferences of 12 each, or 6 mil for 3 conferences. Perhaps the fa could subsidize it? I think the difference it would make would be more than 4mil investment. A conference makes it possible that winning the league=promotion so investment becomes worth it. If you are one of 100 clubs vying for a promotion spot into the nst, that probably isn't enough incentive to invest big. So the costs and benefits of a conference are huge....
 
grazorblade said:
are we unique in running our leagues badly? If so why?
You would think that if the apl runs the a league and the fa runs the nst that on average at least one of those leagues is run ok at any one time haha
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I think we are unique culturally and thus biasies are created (completely fractured club base), its not like the suits have the fans interests at heart. I think because it isn't the biggest 'code' in Australia it can attract suits who don't know football. More conspiracy minded folks will talk about AFL being puppet masters fucking everything up, but I have done 0 research into that, AFL-X if u will.
 
grazorblade said:
I do worry about 9 leagues into 1 - does that happen anywhere else in world football?

To cover the travel costs would be 4mil a year for 2 conferences of 12 each, or 6 mil for 3 conferences. Perhaps the fa could subsidize it? I think the difference it would make would be more than 4mil investment. A conference makes it possible that winning the league=promotion so investment becomes worth it. If you are one of 100 clubs vying for a promotion spot into the nst, that probably isn't enough incentive to invest big. So the costs and benefits of a conference are huge....
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It's not so much the travel, but more just the way it's made up.

I'm not sure about 9 into 1, but Italy does 9 into 3, into 1 (D into C into B)

So, what I mean by the way it's made up - and I'll use the above (Italy) as an example again - 4 clubs go down from Serie B, and 3 go up from Serie C (1 from each 'conference', and then the singular 'inter-conference' playoff winner). Then, before the next season, the conferences are re-adjusted into essentially a North, Central, and South league each. Eg - Juve Next Gen (their reserves/youth team that plays in Serie C) were in the North league last season, but this season they're in the Southern division (considering how North they are though, I think there's another reason for that, but that's a different story).

Knowing Australia, we're going to be hellbent on some sort of equal, or ratio based representation by state/member-federation, and the above just wouldn't work in that sense, unless we stop using the representation, and allow for conferences to be re-adjusted each season.

EDIT - FWIW, I think we can still use that structure at a 9 into 1 level (or 9 into whatever level), provided above that, it's just 'National'.
Just do the NPL Finals, the winner gets promoted, and the last placed team in the NST gets relegated to their state NPL. If that means they have an extra team/bye the next season, then so be it.
 
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NicCarBel said:
It's not so much the travel, but more just the way it's made up.

I'm not sure about 9 into 1, but Italy does 9 into 3, into 1 (D into C into B)

So, what I mean by the way it's made up - and I'll use the above (Italy) as an example again - 4 clubs go down from Serie B, and 3 go up from Serie C (1 from each 'conference', and then the singular 'inter-conference' playoff winner). Then, before the next season, the conferences are re-adjusted into essentially a North, Central, and South league each. Eg - Juve Next Gen (their reserves/youth team that plays in Serie C) were in the North league last season, but this season they're in the Southern division (considering how North they are though, I think there's another reason for that, but that's a different story).

Knowing Australia, we're going to be hellbent on some sort of equal, or ratio based representation by state/member-federation, and the above just wouldn't work in that sense, unless we stop using the representation, and allow for conferences to be re-adjusted each season.

EDIT - FWIW, I think we can still use that structure at a 9 into 1 level (or 9 into whatever level), provided above that, it's just 'National'.
Just do the NPL Finals, the winner gets promoted, and the last placed team in the NST gets relegated to their state NPL. If that means they have an extra team/bye the next season, then so be it.
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yeah the geography will be hard, also you don't want nsw and vic in the same conference or the quality will be really uneven. 9 into 3 into 1 like italy would be ideal if possible

probably something like this

3 conference system

Conference 1 Vic, ACT, Tas
Conference 2 NNSW, NSW, QLD
Conference 3 WA, SA, NT
9 p&r spots for the winner of each npl, 3 per conference. Conference 3 gets more travel subsidies. Cost per year in travel ~ 6million

2 conference system

6 p&r spots with automatic promotion for the winners of QLD, NSW, SA, Vic and WA. NNSW, TAS, NT and ACT going into a tournament with the qualifying team from the conference league for the 6th promotion spot

4 automatic relegation spots and the 3rd worst team in each conference to play each other. The winner goes into a tournament with 4 npl clubs who are the winner of WA, NNSW TAS, NT and ACT
cost per year in travel~4million
 
southoftheyarra said:
How do we think a conference set up would work?
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At the 2nd tier or at the 3rd?

FWIW I've done my own sums on this. I found two conferences to be financially not worth it. But four conferences, even though the overall cost would be about the same as an NST, it would be by far the best bang for buck as the costs are split over many more clubs and matches. I've been meaning to post it here for a while, trying to format it in a way for others to understand.
 
HappyGuus said:
At the 2nd tier or at the 3rd?

FWIW I've done my own sums on this. I found two conferences to be financially not worth it. But four conferences, even though the overall cost would be about the same as an NST, it would be by far the best bang for buck as the costs are split over many more clubs and matches. I've been meaning to post it here for a while, trying to format it in a way for others to understand.
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Would love to see your working! I think it needs to 3rd tier as a buffer between national leagues and the 9 state leagues
 
southoftheyarra said:
We are engaging in intelligent convocation regarding the future of Australian football!

...At least pic a vaguely obscure territory like Norfolk Island...
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It's just football fantasy for absolute nerds. Start a new thread if you want to create your football wet dreams.

As for Norfolk, too many murderers per inhabitant. It could threaten the potential of 50k crowds on the island if it continues to trend.
 
TheSelectFew said:
It's just football fantasy for absolute nerds. Start a new thread if you want to create your football wet dreams.

As for Norfolk, too many murderers per inhabitant. It could threaten the potential of 50k crowds on the island if it continues to trend.
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Fuck your an absolute bummer
 
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grazorblade said:
yeah the geography will be hard, also you don't want nsw and vic in the same conference or the quality will be really uneven. 9 into 3 into 1 like italy would be ideal if possible

probably something like this

3 conference system

Conference 1 Vic, ACT, Tas
Conference 2 NNSW, NSW, QLD
Conference 3 WA, SA, NT
9 p&r spots for the winner of each npl, 3 per conference. Conference 3 gets more travel subsidies. Cost per year in travel ~ 6million

2 conference system

6 p&r spots with automatic promotion for the winners of QLD, NSW, SA, Vic and WA. NNSW, TAS, NT and ACT going into a tournament with the qualifying team from the conference league for the 6th promotion spot

4 automatic relegation spots and the 3rd worst team in each conference to play each other. The winner goes into a tournament with 4 npl clubs who are the winner of WA, NNSW TAS, NT and ACT
cost per year in travel~4million
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You also DON"T want NSW and VIC in separate conferences because thats where the biggest clubs/rivalries are ... its NOT an easy solution, thats for sure.
 
Given people are putting their own ideas I will do mine, its a bit outfield but why not lol.

A-League expands to 16 teams in the next few years

Then for one season only all 16 teams play home and away, at the end of the season teams that finish 1-8 and 9-16 will form division 1 and division 2 which can be called the a-league football league in the following season.

The next season the a-league football league will consist of 2 leagues of 8 teams , the bottom 2 of division 1 go down, and the top 2 of division 2 will go up, therefore all 16 teams will have something to play for rather than a closed 16 team league h&a format.

Then the NSD can come right in as an option for the 3rd division similar to the JFA model in Japan or national championships in Brazil where it can be used to add more teams into the a-league football league where they can get promoted into division 2, once there is enough teams from both a-league divisions then you can add pro-rel to the NSD i.e the 3rd division. (The NSD could be called something maybe the NPL Championship? ;)

The only dilemma is the number of games which division 1 and division 2 will play given they only be 8 teams initially, you can go 2 home and 2 away where it be a bit boring but would cover the season length.
Or an outfield option (probably not a popular one) is to have division 1 and division 2 sides to play one home and away as an 3rd fixture where division 1 sides can host a home fixture against division 2 sides, this can be an incentive for teams trying to stay up as they can get an extra home game in their season.

Division 1 and Division 2 can still have finals as it adds to more meaningful matches, they can be used for promotion, competing for the league and even for Aus Cup spots.

What you guys think? :D
 
TheSelectFew said:
It's just football fantasy for absolute nerds. Start a new thread if you want to create your football wet dreams.

As for Norfolk, too many murderers per inhabitant. It could threaten the potential of 50k crowds on the island if it continues to trend.
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Don't dis Norfolk Island, my Great Great Grandfather spent a few luxurious years at that lovely little abode, then off to Tassie for the rest of his life :(.
 
Barca4life said:
Given people are putting their own ideas I will do mine, its a bit outfield but why not lol.

A-League expands to 16 teams in the next few years

Then for one season only all 16 teams play home and away, at the end of the season teams that finish 1-8 and 9-16 will form division 1 and division 2 which can be called the a-league football league in the following season.

The next season the a-league football league will consist of 2 leagues of 8 teams , the bottom 2 of division 1 go down, and the top 2 of division 2 will go up, therefore all 16 teams will have something to play for rather than a closed 16 team league h&a format.

Then the NSD can come right in as an option for the 3rd division similar to the JFA model in Japan or national championships in Brazil where it can be used to add more teams into the a-league football league where they can get promoted into division 2, once there is enough teams from both a-league divisions then you can add pro-rel to the NSD i.e the 3rd division. (The NSD could be called something maybe the NPL Championship? ;)

The only dilemma is the number of games which division 1 and division 2 will play given they only be 8 teams initially, you can go 2 home and 2 away where it be a bit boring but would cover the season length.
Or an outfield option (probably not a popular one) is to have division 1 and division 2 sides to play one home and away as an 3rd fixture where division 1 sides can host a home fixture against division 2 sides, this can be an incentive for teams trying to stay up as they can get an extra home game in their season.

Division 1 and Division 2 can still have finals as it adds to more meaningful matches, they can be used for promotion, competing for the league and even for Aus Cup spots.

What you guys think? :D
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Its not a bad crack but ANYTHING is better than current state of play...

Cold hard reality is that NONE of this is ever going to happen while franchises remain resistant to being relegated... and the federation backs their desires.
 
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