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Lupi said:
johnsmith you're wasting your time trying to convince anyone here on this topic. They've made up their minds and there's nothing you can say that will change their fixed views.

They are the true believers who'll drive you insane before you have any impact on them. Have fun with them if you must but don't let this crusade take over your life.
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and till the ages of ages .... amen. 🙏 🙏
 
johnsmith said:
Because the "someone [sic. who] has access to google" is able to cite international university medical professors such as these, not just "I trust my G.P."

  1. Peter McCullough, formerly Baylor University Medical Center and Texas A&M University

  2. Jay Bhattacharya, Stanford University

  3. Angus Dalgleish, University of London

  4. Harvey Risch, Yale University

  5. Sucharit Bhakdi, University of Mainz, Germany

  6. Robert Clancy, University of Newcastle, Australia

  7. Dr. Aseem Malhotra

Notice that the typical dunder-head Aussie's only reason for slandering experts like the above is, the assumption that the Australian morning breakfast show host can never be wrong on the issue of Pharmaceuticals. Therefore anything that contradicts prime time Aussie TV is "MIZ INFOR MAIY SHUN". Admit it: this is the level of mentality of average Aussies. And just because 75-85% of people act and think like that, merely proves "herd mentality" is strong in current generation of Ossies.

Another assumption made by Aussies is that, once a doctor becomes a government employee, they lose the ability to make mistakes.

Back around WW2, Aussies were known for their independence and ability to think for themselves. I've heard stories that the average Aussie, under pressure of the battlefield, had the nouse to think for himself, better than soldiers of many other nations. (I'm not sure if that's true, but I heard the anecdote). But whatever it is, this current generation cannot think for themselves beyond what the news on telly tells them.
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The only thing I notice is that the typical "seeker of truth" doesnt understand basic mathematics where 7 is a far smaller number than 500,000 million health professionals..
 
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Monoethnic Social Club said:
The only thing I notice is that the typical "seeker of truth" doesnt understand basic mathematics where 7 is a far smaller number than 500,000 million health professionals..
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You, un-wittingly have revealed your thinking pattern. i.e. your mentality is that, "The majority is NEVER be wrong". You're a group-nik.

Now in 2024, even the government authorities admit that social distancing is of limited value in protecting against Covid viruses.

In a U.S. Congressional inquiry, (quote) "Dr. Fauci claimed that the “6 feet apart” social distancing recommendation promoted by federal health officials was likely not based on any data. He characterized the development of the guidance by stating “it sort of just appeared.”"​
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And yet, in 2020, the majority of health professionals all said that social distancing was needed - and governments across the world mandated it.

You see, people do not follow science. Instead, most people -- around 95% -- just follow what everyone else is doing: and that includes you, MST. You've never thought outside the confines of your group-think, particularly in the areas that you poke at me.
 
Lupi said:
johnsmith you're wasting your time trying to convince anyone here on this topic. They've made up their minds and there's nothing you can say that will change their fixed views.

They are the true believers who'll drive you insane before you have any impact on them. Have fun with them if you must but don't let this crusade take over your life.
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I cannot give up on humanity, because God hasn't given up on them, in spite of the hardness of their hearts:

"They are darkened in their understanding, alienated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, due to their hardness of heart. They have become callous and have given themselves up to sensuality, greedy to practice every kind of impurity. But that is not the way you learned Christ!"— (The Bible, Ephesians chapter 4, verse 18)​

If I were to write these guys off, I myself would be written off too - since I am made of the same fallible "clay" as every fallen human being.
 
johnsmith said:
You, un-wittingly have revealed your thinking pattern. i.e. your mentality is that, "The majority is NEVER be wrong". You're a group-nik.

Now in 2024, even the government authorities admit that social distancing is of limited value in protecting against Covid viruses.

In a U.S. Congressional inquiry, (quote) "Dr. Fauci claimed that the “6 feet apart” social distancing recommendation promoted by federal health officials was likely not based on any data. He characterized the development of the guidance by stating “it sort of just appeared.”"​
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And yet, in 2020, the majority of health professionals all said that social distancing was needed - and governments across the world mandated it.

You see, people do not follow science. Instead, most people -- around 95% -- just follow what everyone else is doing: and that includes you, MST. You've never thought outside the confines of your group-think, particularly in the areas that you poke at me.
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No I purposefully revealed my "thinking pattern" as opposed to your lack of one... Not sure what burning bush told you that your anointed 7 "experts" are right and the rest of the medical world is wrong but you carry on being you....
 
johnsmith said:
I cannot give up on humanity, because God hasn't given up on them, in spite of the hardness of their hearts:

"They are darkened in their understanding, alienated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, due to their hardness of heart. They have become callous and have given themselves up to sensuality, greedy to practice every kind of impurity. But that is not the way you learned Christ!"— (The Bible, Ephesians chapter 4, verse 18)​

If I were to write these guys off, I myself would be written off too - since I am made of the same fallible "clay" as every fallen human being.
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Some of us have a higher dirt content in our clay than others.... right jacksmyth (lower case)?
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
Some of us have a higher dirt content in our clay than others.... right jacksmyth (lower case)?
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The following argument is vital to the debate between the standard gospel vs. your Greek Orthodox theology.

A works-based Orthodox theology will argue that some have greater sin than others. That is not the gospel.

(James 2:8-12) "If you really fulfill the royal law [which says] ... “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well. But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become guilty of all of it. For he who said [the 7th Commandment], “Do not commit adultery,” also said, [the 6th Commandment] “Do not murder.” If you do not [break the 7th] ... but do [break the 6th], you have become a transgressor of the law. So speak and so act as those who are to be judged under the law of liberty."​

What it's saying is: if you don't sin in some areas - but you do sin in other different areas -- overall you're still a law-breaker in God's eyes. Because all it takes is one transgression to be a law-breaker.

MST, if you think that some people have more dirt than others, listen to what Paul said:
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"Therefore you have no excuse, ... every one of you who judges. For in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, practice the very same [evil] things."​

Therefore, the importance of grace and mercy from God is that you cannot be saved and sanctified by keeping commandments. Yes, we must keep the commandments to please God ... but doing good works don't save or sanctify you.

Both being saved, and subsequent sanctification, are by faith.

(Galatians 3:2-3) - "Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?"​

This is where Orthodox diverges from the basic gospel. And if the early church in Antioch, during the lifetime of the apostles, could go into false teaching, don't assume that the later church a few hundreds years after that, were immune from false teaching.
 
johnsmith said:
The following argument is vital to the debate between the standard gospel vs. your Greek Orthodox theology.

A works-based Orthodox theology will argue that some have greater sin than others. That is not the gospel.

(James 2:8-12) "If you really fulfill the royal law [which says] ... “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well. But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become guilty of all of it. For he who said [the 7th Commandment], “Do not commit adultery,” also said, [the 6th Commandment] “Do not murder.” If you do not [break the 7th] ... but do [break the 6th], you have become a transgressor of the law. So speak and so act as those who are to be judged under the law of liberty."​

What it's saying is: if you don't sin in some areas - but you do sin in other different areas -- overall you're still a law-breaker in God's eyes. Because all it takes is one transgression to be a law-breaker.

MST, if you think that some people have more dirt than others, listen to what Paul said:
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"Therefore you have no excuse, ... every one of you who judges. For in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, practice the very same [evil] things."​

Therefore, the importance of grace and mercy from God is that you cannot be saved and sanctified by keeping commandments. Yes, we must keep the commandments to please God ... but doing good works don't save or sanctify you.

Both being saved, and subsequent sanctification, are by faith.

(Galatians 3:2-3) - "Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?"​

This is where Orthodox diverges from the basic gospel. And if the early church in Antioch, during the lifetime of the apostles, could go into false teaching, don't assume that the later church a few hundreds years after that, were immune from false teaching.
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Sorry jacksmyth (lowercase) let me re-phrase I think YOU have more dirt in what passes as your soul than other normal humans.... You, and all of your evangelical brethren, spreading Satan's lies and hiding behind a self righteous cloak of pious endeavour.

Twist a bunch of books written by fallible humans all you like, Ill let the one true God and his only begotten son judge me as a person not some bible thumping quack on the internet. Ive told you before, take your preachy evangelism elsewhere, no one is buying the bullshit you are selling...
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
Sorry jacksmyth (lowercase) let me re-phrase I think YOU have more dirt in what passes as your soul than other normal humans.... You, and all of your evangelical brethren, spreading Satan's lies and hiding behind a self righteous cloak of pious endeavour.

Twist a bunch of books written by fallible humans all you like, Ill let the one true God and his only begotten son judge me as a person not some bible thumping quack on the internet. Ive told you before, take your preachy evangelism elsewhere, no one is buying the bullshit you are selling...
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You think the New Testament books of Romans and James are "a bunch of books written by fallible humans" - is that what Greek Orthodox teaches you?

I thought you were normal Greek Orthodox, but it seems you're at an extreme of Greek Orthodox thinking.
 
johnsmith said:
You think the New Testament books of Romans and James are "a bunch of books written by fallible humans" - is that what Greek Orthodox teaches you?

I thought you were normal Greek Orthodox, but it seems you're at an extreme of Greek Orthodox thinking.
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Why dont you reach out to the Archdiocese's seminary School in Sydney and find out for yourself?... The one true Catholic and Apostolic Church is one of love and acceptance of all God's children. Even the fallen ones...
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
Why dont you reach out to the Archdiocese's seminary School in Sydney and find out for yourself?... The one true Catholic and Apostolic Church is one of love and acceptance of all God's children. Even the fallen ones...
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Martin Luther referred. to Sola Scriptura.
 
Chief of Health Data Standards Branch US National Library of Medicine, caught on video saying: the Covid health initiatives were completely made up. (Correlates with what Fauci admitted to the Congressional Hearing, see my post #87 above).

"I don’t even know if these vaccines stop you from getting COVID. They don’t.” Adds, "We're all going to learn [about vaccine safety] when it's too late,"​

See video

www.thegatewaypundit.com

BREAKING: O'Keefe Media Group: NIH Chief Confesses COVID Health Initiatives Were Completely Made Up... "I Probably Shouldn't Be Saying This Out Loud" (VIDEO) | The Gateway Pundit | by Cristina Laila

O’Keefe Media Group on Monday released its first undercover video in its NIH Tapes series.
www.thegatewaypundit.com www.thegatewaypundit.com
 
Muz said:
Yay......thanks cunts.

www.abc.net.au

South Australia experiencing 'massive' whooping cough wave with numbers 13 times higher than last year

South Australia is currently experiencing a whooping cough wave, with the number of reported cases already climbing to 1,349.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au


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See Muz how you once again show you are a one-dimension thinker, because you did not explore all possibilities.

You did not explore the possibility of the vaccines being ineffective. Here is a video of NIH Chief said the Covid health initiatives were completely made up. He said in the video:

“I don’t even know if these vaccines stop you from getting COVID. They don’t ... We’re all going to learn [about the dangers of the Covid vaccine] when it’s too late.”​

And because, Muz, you only saw things from one angle, you get furious at people who hold the opposite stance ... a bit like George Costanza in Seinfeld.

Just as the Covid MRNA vaccines were ... in the words of NIH Chief Chola ... ineffective, you, Muz, just assumed the whooping cough vaccines were effective.

Such one-dimensionality is not good for a person whose job is to be a consultant. Most ordinary people are one-dimensional thinkers, whereas a good consultant helps the more pedestrian people see things from different angles. That's why consultants get paid. Then again, Trump's team of Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy are going to prune the system of consultants that just add bloat to the cost of everything.

 
johnsmith said:
See Muz how you once again show you are a one-dimension thinker, because you did not explore all possibilities.

You did not explore the possibility of the vaccines being ineffective. Here is a video of NIH Chief said the Covid health initiatives were completely made up. He said in the video:

“I don’t even know if these vaccines stop you from getting COVID. They don’t ... We’re all going to learn [about the dangers of the Covid vaccine] when it’s too late.”​

And because, Muz, you only saw things from one angle, you get furious at people who hold the opposite stance ... a bit like George Costanza in Seinfeld.

Just as the Covid MRNA vaccines were ... in the words of NIH Chief Chola ... ineffective, you, Muz, just assumed the whooping cough vaccines were effective.

Such one-dimensionality is not good for a person whose job is to be a consultant. Most ordinary people are one-dimensional thinkers, whereas a good consultant helps the more pedestrian people see things from different angles. That's why consultants get paid. Then again, Trump's team of Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy are going to prune the system of consultants that just add bloat to the cost of everything.

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@Muz, it's not even worth replying to him on this one. His idiocy knows no bounds.
 
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Keeper66 said:
@Muz, it's not even worth replying to him on this one. His idiocy knows no bounds.
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The trait you're showing is the "automatic refusal".

i.e. because the facts/information I gave to you - about what NIH Health Chief said -- goes against your indoctrination - you react by:

* insulting me
* refusing to see the facts/information

i.e. you are typical of 75% of Australians. You might be intelligent enough to earn big dollars in a job - but in your thinking, you are small minded. If you've been in an office environment before, and you have put up with the nonsense of small-minded thinkers, hey, look in the mirror. It's you.

I am not insulting you. I have shown you that the traits of small-mindedness --- i.e. insult/refusal to see facts - is in your above written record. Anyone who is impartial can review your writing to see that your first reaction is to insult/refuse to see facts.

I focus on facts. The 75% of insult/refuse-type people will hate being shown up for what they are. But when you are in relationship-arguments with your partner, and they accuse you of being an insult/refuse type person, believe them. They see you.
 
johnsmith said:
The trait you're showing is the "automatic refusal".

i.e. because the facts/information I gave to you - about what NIH Health Chief said -- goes against your indoctrination - you react by:

* insulting me
* refusing to see the facts/information

i.e. you are typical of 75% of Australians. You might be intelligent enough to earn big dollars in a job - but in your thinking, you are small minded. If you've been in an office environment before, and you have put up with the nonsense of small-minded thinkers, hey, look in the mirror. It's you.

I am not insulting you. I have shown you that the traits of small-mindedness --- i.e. insult/refusal to see facts - is in your above written record. Anyone who is impartial can review your writing to see that your first reaction is to insult/refuse to see facts.

I focus on facts. The 75% of insult/refuse-type people will hate being shown up for what they are. But when you are in relationship-arguments with your partner, and they accuse you of being an insult/refuse type person, believe them. They see you.
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I rest my case.
 
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Lupi said:
so this just happened

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Hence, the above video by Professor Dr Ian Brighthope makes the point.

Even if I could logically-batter people like @Muz, @tsf and @Keeper66 by sheer logic and facts -- and show them up for their refusal to see (them being specimens of the "people gonna believe what they wanna believe") .... I cannot do a victory dance. That can be no triumph at winning an argument with them - when virtually all my close and extended family have taken these MRNA vaxes, and all my close friends, and acquaintances have taken these vaxes.

What is the point of me pressing them with data/evidence/facts on the MRNA vaxes? It's too late to convince them on the vaxes, because after the MRNA lipoproteins are injected in the body, the growing scientific data shows that the generating of spike-protein by the MRNA keeps going in their bodies long beyond what the Pharma people had assumed (without evidence).

The last hope is to demonstrate to them ... by clear reasoning ... that the (lack of) thinking, and refusal to see data/evidence ... which got them into the MRNA mess in the first place ... is the same hard-hearted stubbornness that they bring to ALL areas of their life, particularly the most important issue, which is their eternal salvation.

No matter whether people misunderstand my motives for what I write, I state for the record, in writing, that my main motive for continuing dialogue with the rank and file folk who exhibit this group-think, is a hope that they'll turn and see the light. And if they can look past their irritation of disgust with me (which is caused by me butting up against their fixed assumptions) -- and for them to just focus on facts/evidence - there'll be some hope.

I gain nothing in winning arguments of logic with them. It's like a caring parent who is misunderstood by wayward children. Often, when they grow up in future decades, they come to realise that dad was right. By then, it's too late to correct decades of them going down the wrong path - and then they join the ranks of the elders trying to pass on wisdom to the young folk who refuse to listen.
 
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