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A-league attendances 24/25

Decentric said:
Jets are playing some slick football too.

They deserve more than 5 461.
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Their season crowds are up slightly, perhaps because they finally have crowds back

From my perspective they are less exciting as a neutral for me as they are one of the eldest teams in terms of having a small number of australian u23s start (natta and taylor) and only one 2005+ player getting semi regular time in dobson in fairness that would be decent in previous seasons
 
grazorblade said:
Their season crowds are up slightly, perhaps because they finally have crowds back

From my perspective they are less exciting as a neutral for me as they are one of the eldest teams in terms of having a small number of australian u23s start (natta and taylor) and only one 2005+ player getting semi regular time in dobson in fairness that would be decent in previous seasons
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I know fans offline of Jets.

They think they are a young side. Must be a lot of 23 and 24 yos - Aquilero, Timmins, Ko ( captain), Eli ?, Wilmering, Bayliss - fractionally too old for the u23s, but I'm told are still young. I've looked some of them up.

I think only Rose and Koto were over 25 of the outfield Jets players who played Roar?

Taylor and Natta are going well.

From what the commentators say, Jets have the highest number of passes accrued in the AL this season.
 
Decentric said:
I know fans offline of Jets.

They think they are a young side. Must be a lot of 23 and 24 yos - Aquilero, Timmins, Ko ( captain), Eli ?, Wilmering, Bayliss - fractionally too old for the u23s, but I'm told are still young. I've looked some of them up.

I think only Rose and Koto were over 25 of the outfield Jets players who played Roar?

Taylor and Natta are going well.

From what the commentators say, Jets have the highest number of passes accrued in the AL this season.
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Yeah it depends how u measure it. If u go average age, sure.

But I think if you have a couple of 30 plus players and a bunch of 17 year olds you are younger in the more meaningful sense of the word than a team with a bunch of 24 yeat olds
 
grazorblade said:
Yeah it depends how u measure it. If u go average age, sure.

But I think if you have a couple of 30 plus players and a bunch of 17 year olds you are younger in the more meaningful sense of the word than a team with a bunch of 24 yeat olds
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The trick is getting the balance between youth and experience. I get your point that we all like to see younger players getting game time and improving the quality of the game but too much youth without guidance leads to disaster.
 
WhatAmIWatching said:
The trick is getting the balance between youth and experience. I get your point that we all like to see younger players getting game time and improving the quality of the game but too much youth without guidance leads to disaster.
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The current fraction of minutes is similar to what the eredivisie, jupiler league and the nsl produced year in and year out. The pfa just recently released a comparison demonstrating just this

In my opinion it only seems like a lot of minutes to youth since we were for most of our history, even post covid, one of the most conservative leagues in the world (for some reason) so fans aren't used to investing in youth
 
grazorblade said:
The current fraction of minutes is similar to what the eredivisie, jupiler league and the nsl produced year in and year out. The pfa just recently released a comparison demonstrating just this

In my opinion it only seems like a lot of minutes to youth since we were for most of our history, even post covid, one of the most conservative leagues in the world (for some reason) so fans aren't used to investing in youth
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Michael Lynch writing in the The Age years ago wrote the same thing.
But the AFL has always made a big thing about youth players. So it will not be a big leap.
All we need is for an A-League youth player to land a contract and game time in the EPL and people will start switching. Pity about GKuol.
 
WhatAmIWatching said:
Michael Lynch writing in the The Age years ago wrote the same thing.
But the AFL has always made a big thing about youth players. So it will not be a big leap.
All we need is for an A-League youth player to land a contract and game time in the EPL and people will start switching. Pity about GKuol.
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I think just about any player that signs for the epl will take a few loans and years on the sidelines. True even of our absolute elite in irankunda and eames. The jump these days is pretty formidable
 
WhatAmIWatching said:
Michael Lynch writing in the The Age years ago wrote the same thing.
But the AFL has always made a big thing about youth players. So it will not be a big leap.
All we need is for an A-League youth player to land a contract and game time in the EPL and people will start switching. Pity about GKuol.
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I feel like this is MUCH harder now. With how quotas work in the EPL (homegrown players etc.)

There are two types of players we can produce that might gain interest:
1. A generational talent that is courted by many European clubs and somehow manages to get first team minutes because of injuries
2. A talented player in a position where the market is generally low in supply (think traditional number 9's, full backs, ball-playing left-footed centre backs, defensive midfielders/6's)

My issue with our current development framework is it produces lots of 8's and wingers/inside forwards and there are shitloads of them around the world. They're a dime a dozen and the talent of those coming out of Africa and lower tier European countries are far better. Even the South Korean & Japanese players in those positions are more talented.

I think our youth scouting tries to find players that can fit into our rigid development framework rather than look for these "outlier" type profiles that would really turn the heads of EPL clubs.
 
riquelmes_laces said:
I feel like this is MUCH harder now. With how quotas work in the EPL (homegrown players etc.)

There are two types of players we can produce that might gain interest:
1. A generational talent that is courted by many European clubs and somehow manages to get first team minutes because of injuries
2. A talented player in a position where the market is generally low in supply (think traditional number 9's, full backs, ball-playing left-footed centre backs, defensive midfielders/6's)

My issue with our current development framework is it produces lots of 8's and wingers/inside forwards and there are shitloads of them around the world. They're a dime a dozen and the talent of those coming out of Africa and lower tier European countries are far better. Even the South Korean & Japanese players in those positions are more talented.

I think our youth scouting tries to find players that can fit into our rigid development framework rather than look for these "outlier" type profiles that would really turn the heads of EPL clubs.
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r_l - true its hard but there are shedloads of talent for every position today across the park BUT for GK imo talking making top flight for that matter.
We have trained out the "outlier" types my friend imo but you make good point thats for sure.
 
LFC said:
r_l - true its hard but there are shedloads of talent for every position today across the park BUT for GK imo talking making top flight for that matter.
We have trained out the "outlier" types my friend imo but you make good point thats for sure.
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Really? Like who? (and i mean whose considered talented by Europe, not our own shores)

The bigger European clubs already have U18 talent loaned out to lower tier euro-clubs playing every week.

Whose on that list from Aus?
 
riquelmes_laces said:
Really? Like who? (and i mean whose considered talented by Europe, not our own shores)

The bigger European clubs already have U18 talent loaned out to lower tier euro-clubs playing every week.

Whose on that list from Aus?
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I'll use an analogy. I recently surveyed 115 publishers in the UK. Only five said they would accept the submission of literary fiction novels that didn't come from an agent. A closer look at those 5 showed that NONE of them are accepting unsolicited manuscripts from writers. That means that there is not one of 115 publishers that a writer unrepresented by an agent can send a manuscript to. What we have in UK then in publishing is a tiny number of agents who can only take on a limited number of writers controlling who gets read by publishers, excluding the vast majority of writers, regardless of the quality of their work.

Seems to me, football is very similar. I think we need to get past the idea that representation in Europe reflects the talents of our young players. It doesn't - like publishing, it reflects the way the system is structured. Situated as we are on the other side of the planet, in a country mainly associated with other sports, our kids are really up against it.
 
riquelmes_laces said:
Really? Like who? (and i mean whose considered talented by Europe, not our own shores)

The bigger European clubs already have U18 talent loaned out to lower tier euro-clubs playing every week.

Whose on that list from Aus?
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think you mis understood first part of my post or more so I typed/explained myself terribly :) -
I agree we got NOTHING/feck all that would even get a look in at the top end.
Oh some will say Kuol/Irakunda but yer 1 is getting some time.
When I said BUT was wrong, agree there are countless others way way way ahead of our lot no matter the possi, from EU/Latinos/Africans etc.....
GK I reckon would be the only chance one day if any with a slight chance come the day we produce another the likes of Bossa/Schwarzer/Ryan but new gaurd make the grade.
Plus my last sentence stands true imo - we train the outlier out of the outlier.

YES F S, our young good prospects are up against it period, not just the other side of the planet, lack of competition ie lack of games/comps not linked, entitled precious ones, living the dream here etcetc.....need to throw the dummy out of the pram I say.
I think they should focus on Asia seeing many NT's are advancing more compared to us And they may get a better look in/opportunity, Japan/Sth Korea/Saudi maybe ? just a thought.
MLS ?
 
Sutherlandbear said:
The biggest difference is that Australia is NOT a football country, therefore the most talented end up somewhere else.
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Its a real shame we don't see more indigenes kids playing in the A-League or even cricket for that matter as we do in the AFL and NRL, maybe there's less obscenities in football and cricket that there is in AFL and NRL. The cost just to play the game at Jr/Youth level must see a lot of them walk away.
 
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