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Australian transfers 24-25 winter

Marmot said:
As an MLS fan (who likes learning about A-League/Aussie youth development) - I can provide an explanation.

MLS made an intentional decision in 2021 to start buying young foreign players - with the express intention of selling for a profit along with elevating league play.

Its taken a few years - both to fine tune recruitment and to build out competent scouting (entertaining work in progress!)

However - it only takes a few successes like the ones below for more and more MLS teams to get onboard.

Jhon Duran - Chicago Fire --> Aston Villa (~20M)
Miguel Almiron - Atlanta United ----> Newcastle (~20M)
Thiago Almada Atlanta United ---> Botafogo (~20M) (soon OL - thanks multi-club ownership!)

Don't get me wrong - the examples below are outsized successes - most are more modest or dumpster fires. MLS teams stepping on rakes will never not be funny : )

With rule changes this year - you can now sacrifice your third Designated/Marquee player slot for an additional U22 slot (basically to encourage cheaper teams that weren't leaning in to maximally using DP slots to invest even more in young players) - so this may increase even more.

Historically - MLS has mostly focused on South America for this (with some eastern Europe) - but this is slowly expanding. Cleary - Australia's excellent recent youth development has been noticed in the past few years and is considered an opportunity.

Many don't rate MLS so this may be bad news - totally fair perspective - its not the best and i don't know where it falls in the grand scheme of things. The silver lining might be:

1. Usually expectation is very clear for all parties that player will be sold when a decent offer comes in.
2. The player is deemed good enough to get playing time in very short order - they are not long term developmental projects.
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Great post. Welcome to G&G FC!

You are American?
 
Marmot said:
As an MLS fan (who likes learning about A-League/Aussie youth development) - I can provide an explanation.

MLS made an intentional decision in 2021 to start buying young foreign players - with the express intention of selling for a profit along with elevating league play.

Its taken a few years - both to fine tune recruitment and to build out competent scouting (entertaining work in progress!)

However - it only takes a few successes like the ones below for more and more MLS teams to get onboard.

Jhon Duran - Chicago Fire --> Aston Villa (~20M)
Miguel Almiron - Atlanta United ----> Newcastle (~20M)
Thiago Almada Atlanta United ---> Botafogo (~20M) (soon OL - thanks multi-club ownership!)

Don't get me wrong - the examples above are outsized successes - most are more modest or dumpster fires. MLS teams stepping on rakes will never not be funny : )

With rule changes this year - you can now sacrifice your third Designated/Marquee player slot for an additional U22 slot (basically to encourage cheaper teams that weren't leaning in to maximally using DP slots to invest even more in young players) - so this may increase even more.

Historically - MLS has mostly focused on South America for this (with some eastern Europe) - but this is slowly expanding. Cleary - Australia's excellent recent youth development has been noticed in the past few years and is considered an opportunity.

Many don't rate MLS so this may be bad news - totally fair perspective - its not the best and i don't know where it falls in the grand scheme of things. The silver lining might be:

1. Usually expectation is very clear for all parties that player will be sold when a decent offer comes in.
2. The player is deemed good enough to get playing time in very short order - they are not long term developmental projects.
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Welcome to the forum

The mls was remarkably poor 10 years ago when considering the average salary but has really improved! Most fans haven't taken this improvement into account and groan when they sign a player. It also is a much better style than the spfl and perhaps slightly better quality outside celtic and rangers

Do you watch the a league out of curiosity?
 
grazorblade said:
Welcome to the forum

The mls was remarkably poor 10 years ago when considering the average salary but has really improved! Most fans haven't taken this improvement into account and groan when they sign a player. It also is a much better style than the spfl and perhaps slightly better quality outside celtic and rangers

Do you watch the a league out of curiosity?
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I watch every once is a blue moon - but its mostly reading/highlights for me. I'd enjoy watching more - I'm kinda hoping Apple snaps up the A-League (there is no way Apple got into soccer streaming to just show MLS - lol) as it would make watching easier - but we'll see.
 
Marmot said:
I watch every once is a blue moon - but its mostly reading/highlights for me. I'd enjoy watching more - I'm kinda hoping Apple snaps up the A-League (there is no way Apple got into soccer streaming to just show MLS - lol) as it would make watching easier - but we'll see.
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oh cool! What makes you into oz football? You can watch the a league for free on youtube in some countries but not sure if timezones are agreeable
 
Marmot said:
As an MLS fan (who likes learning about A-League/Aussie youth development) - I can provide an explanation.

MLS made an intentional decision in 2021 to start buying young foreign players - with the express intention of selling for a profit along with elevating league play.

Its taken a few years - both to fine tune recruitment and to build out competent scouting (entertaining work in progress!)

However - it only takes a few successes like the ones below for more and more MLS teams to get onboard.

Jhon Duran - Chicago Fire --> Aston Villa (~20M)
Miguel Almiron - Atlanta United ----> Newcastle (~20M)
Thiago Almada Atlanta United ---> Botafogo (~20M) (soon OL - thanks multi-club ownership!)

Don't get me wrong - the examples above are outsized successes - most are more modest or dumpster fires. MLS teams stepping on rakes will never not be funny : )

With rule changes this year - you can now sacrifice your third Designated/Marquee player slot for an additional U22 slot (basically to encourage cheaper teams that weren't leaning in to maximally using DP slots to invest even more in young players) - so this may increase even more.

Historically - MLS has mostly focused on South America for this (with some eastern Europe) - but this is slowly expanding. Cleary - Australia's excellent recent youth development has been noticed in the past few years and is considered an opportunity.

Many don't rate MLS so this may be bad news - totally fair perspective - its not the best and i don't know where it falls in the grand scheme of things. The silver lining might be:

1. Usually expectation is very clear for all parties that player will be sold when a decent offer comes in.
2. The player is deemed good enough to get playing time in very short order - they are not long term developmental projects.
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Welcome and very much looking forward to your insights.

I had to chuckle as initially, I thought this had to be some multi fake due to the immediate response by a new account on a sub topic. But no, it's very thorough and checks out. Multis surely wouldn't go to such lengths on here, would they? :D

Really great to have someone from that time zone also. The forum really covers nearly every part of the globe.
 
grazorblade said:
good luck to waddingham
www.bbc.com

Thomas Waddingham: Portsmouth agree deal to sign from A League side Brisbane Roar

Portsmouth agree a deal to sign Australia Under-23 striker Thomas Waddingham.
www.bbc.com

you would imagine he is good enough for at least regular minutes off the bench
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I'd hope for the next 6 months a League 1 or 2 loan to keep him rolling on how he's been going for Brisbane. Whirlwind stuff going from Brisbane summer to over there after bursting onto the scene.
 
JS96 said:
I'd hope for the next 6 months a League 1 or 2 loan to keep him rolling on how he's been going for Brisbane. Whirlwind stuff going from Brisbane summer to over there after bursting onto the scene.
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apparently not planning a league 1 loan

well if he plays good, if not then we get him for the u20 asian cup
 
Marmot said:
As an MLS fan (who likes learning about A-League/Aussie youth development) - I can provide an explanation.

MLS made an intentional decision in 2021 to start buying young foreign players - with the express intention of selling for a profit along with elevating league play.

Its taken a few years - both to fine tune recruitment and to build out competent scouting (entertaining work in progress!)

However - it only takes a few successes like the ones below for more and more MLS teams to get onboard.

Jhon Duran - Chicago Fire --> Aston Villa (~20M)
Miguel Almiron - Atlanta United ----> Newcastle (~20M)
Thiago Almada Atlanta United ---> Botafogo (~20M) (soon OL - thanks multi-club ownership!)

Don't get me wrong - the examples above are outsized successes - most are more modest or dumpster fires. MLS teams stepping on rakes will never not be funny : )

With rule changes this year - you can now sacrifice your third Designated/Marquee player slot for an additional U22 slot (basically to encourage cheaper teams that weren't leaning in to maximally using DP slots to invest even more in young players) - so this may increase even more.

Historically - MLS has mostly focused on South America for this (with some eastern Europe) - but this is slowly expanding. Cleary - Australia's excellent recent youth development has been noticed in the past few years and is considered an opportunity.

Many don't rate MLS so this may be bad news - totally fair perspective - its not the best and i don't know where it falls in the grand scheme of things. The silver lining might be:

1. Usually expectation is very clear for all parties that player will be sold when a decent offer comes in.
2. The player is deemed good enough to get playing time in very short order - they are not long term developmental projects.
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Thanks for the response, it seems Australian talent is getting more recognition from different leagues which can only be a good thing.
 
@Marmot which MLS teams are the best fits for developing young players including playing opportunities?
 
Marmot said:
As an MLS fan (who likes learning about A-League/Aussie youth development) - I can provide an explanation.

MLS made an intentional decision in 2021 to start buying young foreign players - with the express intention of selling for a profit along with elevating league play.

Its taken a few years - both to fine tune recruitment and to build out competent scouting (entertaining work in progress!)

However - it only takes a few successes like the ones below for more and more MLS teams to get onboard.

Jhon Duran - Chicago Fire --> Aston Villa (~20M)
Miguel Almiron - Atlanta United ----> Newcastle (~20M)
Thiago Almada Atlanta United ---> Botafogo (~20M) (soon OL - thanks multi-club ownership!)

Don't get me wrong - the examples above are outsized successes - most are more modest or dumpster fires. MLS teams stepping on rakes will never not be funny : )

With rule changes this year - you can now sacrifice your third Designated/Marquee player slot for an additional U22 slot (basically to encourage cheaper teams that weren't leaning in to maximally using DP slots to invest even more in young players) - so this may increase even more.

Historically - MLS has mostly focused on South America for this (with some eastern Europe) - but this is slowly expanding. Cleary - Australia's excellent recent youth development has been noticed in the past few years and is considered an opportunity.

Many don't rate MLS so this may be bad news - totally fair perspective - its not the best and i don't know where it falls in the grand scheme of things. The silver lining might be:

1. Usually expectation is very clear for all parties that player will be sold when a decent offer comes in.
2. The player is deemed good enough to get playing time in very short order - they are not long term developmental projects.
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Welcome to the forum..... Do you happen to watch any soccer outside of the MLS in the states - USL, USL2 or even lower.... would be keen to hear what the "grassroots" is like over there.
 
G’day. Long term reader. First time poster.

If the current economic trends continue globally, the US dollar is gaining strength meaning that the MLS will be increasingly be able to afford better players. This happening while Europe’s economic outlook is looking really weak. The top European clubs funded by big money will still be able to buy top players but mid Euro teams and leagues will have less punch from their currency.

Long story short you are gonna see more Aussie players go to MLS rather than Scotland, EFL, Belgium etc
 
Somebloke said:
G’day. Long term reader. First time poster.

If the current economic trends continue globally, the US dollar is gaining strength meaning that the MLS will be increasingly be able to afford better players. This happening while Europe’s economic outlook is looking really weak. The top European clubs funded by big money will still be able to buy top players but mid Euro teams and leagues will have less punch from their currency.

Long story short you are gonna see more Aussie players go to MLS rather than Scotland, EFL, Belgium etc
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Welcome to you too... Thats an interesting point. But as we see with the stream of players flooding to Saudi Arabia drying up this season its not ALWAYS about the highest payday anymore.
 
Quicky said:
@Marmot which MLS teams are the best fits for developing young players including playing opportunities?
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A few clubs have developed a bit of an early reputation (FC Dallas and Philadelphia for homegrown academy exports, Atlanta/Miami for high end South American prospects) but really its too early to tell - most teams are testing the waters. With academies producing most teams are far more comfortable playing young players than even 5-6 years ago (sounds as far as i can tell like this is similar in Australia).

Lachlan Brooks' Real Salt Lake had a nice 11M sale of a young south American player to Stade Rennes a few months ago (which might help fund the rumored Ariath Piol transfer).

One positive thing from an Australia perspective is that you see a range of clubs going for Australians - Vancouver and St. Louis (both with German Sporting Directors), Nashville and RSL. Its not just one club/sporting director taking a flier - clearly A League prospects are on a number of Scouting Department/Sporting Directors "watch lists" are are being valued.

We'll have to see what comes of this first crop - I'm sure future A League prospects will keenly note who does/doesn't do a good job from a club perspective and where they eventually sell on to.
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
Welcome to the forum..... Do you happen to watch any soccer outside of the MLS in the states - USL, USL2 or even lower.... would be keen to hear what the "grassroots" is like over there.
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Not too much. I am interested in the academies being stood up in USL which is starting - but if MLS has taught me anything its that it just takes time (10+ years) - so may be awhile before any impact is had. There is a new USL League 1 team starting in a nearby state (the only professional club in the state) - I'll be keeping an eye on that and rooting for it to do well.

I'm interested in watching as the Australia NST comes together mainly through this forum : ) I think that will be a big unlock.
 
Marmot said:
As an MLS fan (who likes learning about A-League/Aussie youth development) - I can provide an explanation.

MLS made an intentional decision in 2021 to start buying young foreign players - with the express intention of selling for a profit along with elevating league play.

Its taken a few years - both to fine tune recruitment and to build out competent scouting (entertaining work in progress!)

However - it only takes a few successes like the ones below for more and more MLS teams to get onboard.

Jhon Duran - Chicago Fire --> Aston Villa (~20M)
Miguel Almiron - Atlanta United ----> Newcastle (~20M)
Thiago Almada Atlanta United ---> Botafogo (~20M) (soon OL - thanks multi-club ownership!)

Don't get me wrong - the examples above are outsized successes - most are more modest or dumpster fires. MLS teams stepping on rakes will never not be funny : )

With rule changes this year - you can now sacrifice your third Designated/Marquee player slot for an additional U22 slot (basically to encourage cheaper teams that weren't leaning in to maximally using DP slots to invest even more in young players) - so this may increase even more.

Historically - MLS has mostly focused on South America for this (with some eastern Europe) - but this is slowly expanding. Cleary - Australia's excellent recent youth development has been noticed in the past few years and is considered an opportunity.

Many don't rate MLS so this may be bad news - totally fair perspective - its not the best and i don't know where it falls in the grand scheme of things. The silver lining might be:

1. Usually expectation is very clear for all parties that player will be sold when a decent offer comes in.
2. The player is deemed good enough to get playing time in very short order - they are not long term developmental projects.
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Great, informative comment thanks.
 
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