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Promotion and Relegation is vital for Football in Australia

I think its unfair to compare the likes of Footy, Rugby and Cricket 2nd divisions to Football 2nd division. Yes with the Championship its looks similar to VFL's. But I am unaware if AFL has a history of relegation, I don't think relegation and promotion is as baked into the system of AFL/NRL/BBL like it is with every other football league in the world. I understand we don't have a culture of it (fair weather support lol) but I think that was more of an issue with how the game (football) has been set up.
Aussie Rules is the only sport in Australia where pro/rel would've worked until the VFL/AFL put in expansion clubs like Brisbane (Bears), Adelaide, West Coast and Fremantle when there were state league clubs like Norwood, Port Adelaide (their 1990 bid prior to getting in 7 years later), Perth, either of the two Freos etc.
 
So we shouldnt try it and just leave things as is??? Convenient for the franchises!


Then fold them and start from scratch open it up fully and let the fittest survive!


Then turn it into a state of origin and be done!
If your club gets in via the back door like you want where are they going to play?

Lakeside is a fucking athletics stadium now and totally unsuitable for top flight football.

Just ask Brighton fans in England what they thought of the Withdean when they played there?

State of Origin? That was how the A-League was originally formed before they started adding clubs like Melbourne Heart/City, Western Sydney, Gold Coast, North Qld etc.
 
If your club gets in via the back door like you want where are they going to play?
Mate check in, i dont want my club in the aleague let alone via any back door other than pro/rel and on merit open to all.. that line has been consistent throughout..
Lakeside is a fucking athletics stadium now and totally unsuitable for top flight football.
Yet you were all for using an afl ground as a venue for how long, bc that makes it soo much better!?! Remind me again who decided to put a track there by force and when? If you had been you would know its still a better venue than most!
Just ask Brighton fans in England what they thought of the Withdean when they played there?
Apples and oranges mate! They dont compete against cricket, rugby, afl and anti football councils!
State of Origin? That was how the A-League was originally formed before they started adding clubs like Melbourne Heart/City, Western Sydney, Gold Coast, North Qld etc.
We are saying the same thing.. shouldve stopped there and been done with it...
 
If your club gets in via the back door like you want where are they going to play?

Lakeside is a fucking athletics stadium now and totally unsuitable for top flight football.

Just ask Brighton fans in England what they thought of the Withdean when they played there?

State of Origin? That was how the A-League was originally formed before they started adding clubs like Melbourne Heart/City, Western Sydney, Gold Coast, North Qld etc.
...totally unsuitable for top flight football... uuggghhh such a brain dead take, Lakeside has hosted top flight football before (Women's A-League games) looked great on TV its on YouTube. If you don't like South thats fine not many people do, but to say that Lakeside is "totally unsuitable for top flight football" considering the reputation of a-league stadiums being to big and crowds looking tiny because of that... have a think for more than five minutes mate
 
Aussie Rules is the only sport in Australia where pro/rel would've worked until the VFL/AFL put in expansion clubs like Brisbane (Bears), Adelaide, West Coast and Fremantle when there were state league clubs like Norwood, Port Adelaide (their 1990 bid prior to getting in 7 years later), Perth, either of the two Freos etc.
Yeah but they didn't did they...
 
Mate check in, i dont want my club in the aleague let alone via any back door other than pro/rel and on merit open to all.. that line has been consistent throughout..

Yet you were all for using an afl ground as a venue for how long, bc that makes it soo much better!?! Remind me again who decided to put a track there by force and when? If you had been you would know its still a better venue than most!

Apples and oranges mate! They dont compete against cricket, rugby, afl and anti football councils!

We are saying the same thing.. shouldve stopped there and been done with it...
If you're talking about Sydney FC playing at the SCG for a few years you do realise the SFS had been under redevelopment right?

I've always been of the belief the only additions the A-League should've made after 2005 was to other states.

Yes the derbies have been successful as such but I always liked the Origin style concept they originally did.

While I think it's gone silly now adding old clubs completely defeats the purpose of why the A-League was created in the first place.
 
If you're talking about Sydney FC playing at the SCG for a few years you do realise the SFS had been under redevelopment right?

I've always been of the belief the only additions the A-League should've made after 2005 was to other states.

Yes the derbies have been successful as such but I always liked the Origin style concept they originally did.

While I think it's gone silly now adding old clubs completely defeats the purpose of why the A-League was created in the first place.
"While I think it's gone silly now adding old clubs completely defeats the purpose of why the A-League was created in the first place."

You're very right regarding this.
 
"While I think it's gone silly now adding old clubs completely defeats the purpose of why the A-League was created in the first place."

You're very right regarding this.
That's why I'm of the belief the AL can be its own standalone comp as is now and the AC can do whatever the hell it likes.
 
...totally unsuitable for top flight football... uuggghhh such a brain dead take, Lakeside has hosted top flight football before (Women's A-League games) looked great on TV its on YouTube. If you don't like South thats fine not many people do, but to say that Lakeside is "totally unsuitable for top flight football" considering the reputation of a-league stadiums being to big and crowds looking tiny because of that... have a think for more than five minutes mate
Lakeside IS unsuitable for top flight football.

Who wants to be a billion miles away from the action because there's an athletics track between the field and the fence.

You're right about one thing, yes I don't like South at all, their fans are incredibly arrogant who believe they have a divine right to be in the top flight.

The two individuals interviewed in the pod are exactly the kind of arrogance I refer to.
 
Lakeside IS unsuitable for top flight football.

Who wants to be a billion miles away from the action because there's an athletics track between the field and the fence.

You're right about one thing, yes I don't like South at all, their fans are incredibly arrogant who believe they have a divine right to be in the top flight.

The two individuals interviewed in the pod are exactly the kind of arrogance I refer to.
Look man I don't know how to tell you this but... never mind, yes having an athletics track is a slight deterrent (for some) but thinking for more than 10 seconds gets you far in life.

Curious have you actually ever been to Lakeside or a Football Stadium with a running track around it? Im pretty sure many Bundesliga teams do...
 
Look man I don't know how to tell you this but... never mind, yes having an athletics track is a slight deterrent (for some) but thinking for more than 10 seconds gets you far in life.

Curious have you actually ever been to Lakeside or a Football Stadium with a running track around it? Im pretty sure many Bundesliga teams do...
Can the track be removed and the pitch brought closer to the stand? Surely a running track can go somewhere else. Or is there a deal involved here?
 
Can the track be removed and the pitch brought closer to the stand? Surely a running track can go somewhere else. Or is there a deal involved here?
We can use the Spurs money trickling down to us to replicate how their ground changes
 
Can the track be removed and the pitch brought closer to the stand? Surely a running track can go somewhere else. Or is there a deal involved here?
The athletics track was laid in 2011 in front of the existing football grandstand, due to relocation of athletics from Olympic Park, following the venue’s demolition... and how was it done... collingwood needed a training venue, so a certain E McGuire surprise surprise became head of athletics vic (for just enough time) and with the then state governement worked out a deal that suited his team and screw everyone else!!
Can it be removed now? Id argue no bc of (a) the deal in place and (b) the lack of any other apprpriate venue to host a track.
 
The athletics track was laid in 2011 in front of the existing football grandstand, due to relocation of athletics from Olympic Park, following the venue’s demolition... and how was it done... collingwood needed a training venue, so a certain E McGuire surprise surprise became head of athletics vic (for just enough time) and with the then state governement worked out a deal that suited his team and screw everyone else!!
Can it be removed now? Id argue no bc of (a) the deal in place and (b) the lack of any other apprpriate venue to host a track.
Maguire's name seems to keep popping up when it comes to screwing soccer. But he'll suck off the NFL now his boy is playing with them.

Wasn't there a meeting of powerful scum about 20 years ago lead by Eddie, telling the room that they need to bury soccer for the good of everyone else?
 
Lakeside IS unsuitable for top flight football.

Who wants to be a billion miles away from the action because there's an athletics track between the field and the fence.

You're right about one thing, yes I don't like South at all, their fans are incredibly arrogant who believe they have a divine right to be in the top flight.

The two individuals interviewed in the pod are exactly the kind of arrogance I refer to.
Tis tis mate... shoudlve just started there and saved yourself the needless typing!
If any franchise used lakeside stadium you would find it suitable, like u did MV at marvel and SFc at cricket grounds.. simple as that!
 
Maguire's name seems to keep popping up when it comes to screwing soccer. But he'll suck off the NFL now his boy is playing with them.

Wasn't there a meeting of powerful scum about 20 years ago lead by Eddie, telling the room that they need to bury soccer for the good of everyone else?
I'm not calling for a false unity - there are big divides in the game that can't be fixed just with a kombayah session - but issues like this are why there needs to be at least some steps towards unity. Ideally A league fans call out decisions like this and fans of traditional clubs call out when a league supporters are demonized in the media etc. Probably a lot of issues like this where we are stronger together
 
I'm not calling for a false unity - there are big divides in the game that can't be fixed just with a kombayah session - but issues like this are why there needs to be at least some steps towards unity. Ideally A league fans call out decisions like this and fans of traditional clubs call out when a league supporters are demonized in the media etc. Probably a lot of issues like this where we are stronger together
You wont find any real proponent of the game that will argue against that... Problem is can the right choices be made to appease both sides enough to be able to find that needed common ground?
I mean from an anti aleague perspective i will accept nothing short of a realistic timeline to pro/rel for all .. the rest in the meantime i can be patient on and even united to some level...as long as we seeing small.steps of progress.
Problem is that that common ground is harder to be found when we continually deal with the same lies and propaganda that comes out of the woodwork everytime their "exclusiveness" is threatened!
Just look at the overwhelming propagand a in the last few days!
 
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