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Green & Gold FC Podcast #3 – SMFC Mike & Pete

Decentric said:
Decentric said:
One thing that has not been apparent from the panellists, up until the 36 min mark, is the vast value of the NC and the new coaching system. Unlike many, I was trained in coach education in the old system and the new.
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It wasn't really the topic of the pod, but it is quite interesting comparing old and new coaching education


Decentric said:
I'd love a chance to have just one go at a G and G podcast using specific examples of our players, mostly 23 and under, using specific players, to describe what they are doing on the pitch, in terms of quantity of quality, that hasn't occurred before in Aus.
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Would definitely be eager for a 2 parterin the off season where we take a deep dive into the ntc interviewing one person (such as yourself) for an affirmative case and finding someone for the negative case (michael cain if we can get him). Of course this all depends onwhat the cohosts want :)
Decentric said:
Decentric said:
I think the GG are over-rated. I'd like a chance to put their era into context, again using specific GG players, where they fell down. Many of the GG are big talkers, and love talking about their own era. Latter day players are a lot more circumspect and modest. They don't talk up their achievements like the GG. Notwithstanding, Brett Emerton, Marco Bresciano, Stan Lazaridis, are pretty circumspect from the GG.
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"the golden generation were overrated" seems a tougher sell then "the national curriculum is improving our youth technically"
Even if I don't look at their club success and do my best to compare like for like the results really have the golden generation as better than what we have now - what you would expect from the club achievements

Here is a cursory analysis

Confed cup group games
Golden gen (97,01,05) 1.1 points per game
Recent (2017) 0.6 points a game

World Cup group games
Golden gen (06,10) 1.3 points per game
Recent (14,18,22) 0.8 points per game

3rd round asian qualifiers
Golden gen (2010) 2.5 points per game
Recent (2018,2022) 1.7 points per game

Asian cup group stages
Golden gen (07,11) 1.8 points per game
Recent (15,19,23) 2.1 points per game

Olympics group games
Golden generation (96,00,04) 0.8 points per game
Recent (08,22) 0.7 pointes per game

So over a sustained period the golden generation achieved superior results in every situation but asian cup group games. Our ELO (when taking a rolling average) also peaked during the golden generation

The disparity might be a bit larger when you add a bit of context
- the golden generation weren't battle hardened by regular football so couldn't form combinations and learn the nuances of international football. By the time they are battle hardened (2010 3rd round qualifiers, 2010 world cup and 2011 asian cup) they are aging and in decline
-until Lowry they didn't get much help with travel.

Then of course their club success was remarkable and it came at a time when the fraction of foreign players in the big 5 is roughly as high as it is now. In terms of minutes at big clubs they were the 9th best team in europe at the time
 
Decentric said:
Mono, do you know Benjamin, a former scout; and Arthur, who was a NPL Club Pres; who both posted on 442?

They are both keen South Melb fans. These were their 442 posting names. I'm not going to use their last names - publicly.

Anyway, Benjamin was a mate of Con Boutsianis. I never saw him play, but have heard incredible stories about his legendary free kick taking for South Melb, from Benjamin, as well as the two panellists waxing lyrical about his dead ball ability on this Podcast.
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would love to see them again!
 
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grazorblade said:
It wasn't really the topic of the pod, but it is quite interesting comparing old and new coaching education



Would definitely be eager for a 2 parterin the off season where we take a deep dive into the ntc interviewing one person (such as yourself) for an affirmative case and finding someone for the negative case (michael cain if we can get him). Of course this all depends onwhat the cohosts want :)


"the golden generation were overrated" seems a tougher sell then "the national curriculum is improving our youth technically"
Even if I don't look at their club success and do my best to compare like for like the results really have the golden generation as better than what we have now - what you would expect from the club achievements

Here is a cursory analysis

Confed cup group games
Golden gen (97,01,05) 1.1 points per game
Recent (2017) 0.6 points a game

World Cup group games
Golden gen (06,10) 1.3 points per game
Recent (14,18,22) 0.8 points per game

3rd round asian qualifiers
Golden gen (2010) 2.5 points per game
Recent (2018,2022) 1.7 points per game

Asian cup group stages
Golden gen (07,11) 1.8 points per game
Recent (15,19,23) 2.1 points per game

Olympics group games
Golden generation (96,00,04) 0.8 points per game
Recent (08,22) 0.7 pointes per game

So over a sustained period the golden generation achieved superior results in every situation but asian cup group games. Our ELO (when taking a rolling average) also peaked during the golden generation

The disparity might be a bit larger when you add a bit of context
- the golden generation weren't battle hardened by regular football so couldn't form combinations and learn the nuances of international football. By the time they are battle hardened (2010 3rd round qualifiers, 2010 world cup and 2011 asian cup) they are aging and in decline
-until Lowry they didn't get much help with travel.

Then of course their club success was remarkable and it came at a time when the fraction of foreign players in the big 5 is roughly as high as it is now. In terms of minutes at big clubs they were the 9th best team in europe at the time
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Lot of good points there, Grazor.

I won't comment further and derail the thread.
 
What this podcast really rammed home to me, is pre-existing ethnic clubs having their semi-pro league, the highest level in Aus football, the NSL, taken away from them.

All local NPL clubs in this state weren't playing in the NSL. No long terms stakeholders in local ethnic clubs, Hobart Zebras, Hobart Olympic, Glenorchy Knights, felt the sense of loss that Melbourne Knights, Marconi, South Melb, Sydney United, Sydney Olympic experienced.

The only two NSL clubs who survived to play AL were Adelaide United and Perth Glory, am I correct ?

So that means other non-ethnic NSL clubs like Northern Spirit, Collingwood Warriors, Carlton, etc, also lost their licences.

I simply followed the AL as the highest level of football played in Aus.
 
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LFC said:
I’m with you annd even though tsf makes a fair assumption that’s not fair to many who are invested no matter how.
The word used customer applies to anything you frequent regularly or view is there rules how it’s meant to be - not that I know of.
Obviously he knows that may trigger response such as ours but that’s why we discuss.

The kids today as he rightly says do they care or know the past - well as they grow see and learn that football is about P/R through Jnrs then they get it but have lived with the closed comp but some would wonder and wish how good it could and should be.
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kids these days dont follow clubs, but players.

I've never seen so many Haaland Man city Jerseys, Messi Inter Miami, CR7 Al-nassr, mbappe at PSG & Madrid.

times have changed.
 
What's the best way to get NPL score updates? Their own service is useless
 
HappyGuus said:
That's the second time this week that I've seen his name. Who is he and what's his story?
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Tony Labozetta was the head honcho of Soccer Australia. He presided over lots of petty fiefdoms. TL had no interest in growing the game and simply wanted to preserve his status as head of Aus football.

He was the antithesis of his predecessors, Ian Knox and David Hill, who desperately wanted to grow the sport - like Lowy did. Ostensibly, there was a lot of corruption associated with him. The NSL either was close to bankruptcy, or went bankrupt under TL's tenure. He could see nothing wrong with what he was doing.

Socceroos sometimes didn't want to leave their clubs to play for the Socceroos, because the UEFA clubs didn't like it. Players' club careers were paramount over playing for the national team under TL's tenure.

Aussie domestic based players didn't like the younger European pros in the team, who were quite comparatively rich. As soon as Lowy came in, he was a good financial manager. He also employed John O'Neill, then Aus rugby union CEO. They laid down the law to every UEFA club who refused to release Socceroos - they ensured they were suspended from playing for their UEFA clubs. Conversely, TL was inactive over this issue.

There were more scenarios like Robertson and Volpato, choosing other countries, or refusing to play for Aus.
 
Beretta said:
kids these days dont follow clubs, but players.

I've never seen so many Haaland Man city Jerseys, Messi Inter Miami, CR7 Al-nassr, mbappe at PSG & Madrid.

times have changed.
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Interesting comment, Beretta.

Hadn't thought about it, but I think you are right.
 
Decentric said:
What this podcast really rammed home to me, is pre-exisiting ethnic clubs having their semi-pro league, the highest level in Aus football, the NSL, taken away from them.

All local NPL clubs in this state weren't playing in the NSL. No long terms stakeholders in local ethnic clubs, Hobart Zebras, Hobart Olympic, Glenorchy Knights, felt the sense of loss that Melbourne Knights, Marconi, South Melb, Sydney United, Sydney Olympic experienced.

The only two NSL clubs who survived to play AL were Adelaide United and Perth Glory, am I correct ?

So that means other non-ethnic NSL clubs like Northern Spirit, Collingwood Warriors, Carlton, etc, also lost their licences.

I simply followed the AL as the highest level of football played in Aus.
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yeah coming from cairns I was super out of the loop. It is interesting to here from those who were shut out....
 
Decentric said:
Tony Labozetta was the head honcho of Soccer Australia. He presided over lots of petty fiefdoms. TL had no interest in growing the game and simply wanted to preserve his status as head of Aus football.

He was the antithesis of his predecessors, Ian Knox and David Hill, who desperately wanted to grow the sport - like Lowy did. Ostensibly, there was a lot of corruption associated with him. The NSL either was close to bankruptcy, or went bankrupt under TL's tenure. He could see nothing wrong with what he was doing.

Socceroos sometimes didn't want to leave their clubs to play for the Socceroos, because the UEFA clubs didn't like it. Players' club careers were paramount over playing for the national team under TL's tenure.

Aussie domestic based players didn't like the younger European pros in the team, who were quite comparatively rich. As soon as Lowy came in, he was a good financial manager. He also employed John O'Neill, then Aus rugby union CEO. They laid down the law to every UEFA club who refused to release Socceroos - they ensured they were suspended from playing for their UEFA clubs. Conversely, TL was inactive over this issue.

There were more scenarios like Robertson and Volpato, choosing other countries, or refusing to play for Aus.
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would be interesting to hear more about it and what Tony could have done better.
 
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