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A-league attendances 24/25

Because it's a poor crowd and should be called out for what it is
If the biggest crowd of the round is poor, the other games must have absolutely atrocious crowds. Most clubs have been around for 20 years now. More than enough time to be getting above 10k to a game every week. Yeah Melbourne and Sydney are huge population centres but all other clubs are in cities with big enough populations to get 10k through the gates yet most don't.
 
There’s definitely been a noticeable uptick - helped a lot by the success of Auckland FC - for all teams apart from Brisbane, Perth, Newcastle unfortunately.
probably slow healing of the damage of both covid, the GF decision and the war on active support. The suits aren't pro active support these days but at least aren't at war with them
 
At what point do the attendance numbers not become a factor in evaluating a move to winter??

Lets say the attendances average out at 8500 this season, i would envision a move to winter would see the same numbers be realised. Hot weather is actually deterring attendances.

Might as well go up against the AFL and NRL if it aligns the football pyramid.
 
If the biggest crowd of the round is poor, the other games must have absolutely atrocious crowds. Most clubs have been around for 20 years now. More than enough time to be getting above 10k to a game every week. Yeah Melbourne and Sydney are huge population centres but all other clubs are in cities with big enough populations to get 10k through the gates yet most don't.
Has their been a precedent to this ?
 
At what point do the attendance numbers not become a factor in evaluating a move to winter??

Lets say the attendances average out at 8500 this season, i would envision a move to winter would see the same numbers be realised. Hot weather is actually deterring attendances.

Might as well go up against the AFL and NRL if it aligns the football pyramid.
It’s Not just about attendances , tv viewers/sponsorships/ ground availability comes into play to.
 
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#MCYvWEL

They never resonated with the Melbourne public. "Heart" is a bad joke and just because a team is owned is owned by the "City" group doesn't mean that they have any sort of identity. You need a point of difference and City don't provide that at all. It should have always been South Melbourne to be admitted.
 
They never resonated with the Melbourne public. "Heart" is a bad joke and just because a team is owned is owned by the "City" group doesn't mean that they have any sort of identity. You need a point of difference and City don't provide that at all. It should have always been South Melbourne to be admitted.
I don't see the point of having a team owned by City Group as long as we have a salary cap.
 
They never resonated with the Melbourne public. "Heart" is a bad joke and just because a team is owned is owned by the "City" group doesn't mean that they have any sort of identity. You need a point of difference and City don't provide that at all. It should have always been South Melbourne to be admitted.
It's a bit of an interesting situation. Heart branding was bad (colours were ok though). City branding is worse due to CFG baggage and the light blue is the worst possible colour choice for a club based in Victoria. Heart on field results were rubbish whereas City results have been very good. They did experience some crowd growth during that great run of consecutive premierships but they were also handing out copious amounts of free tickets. Free tickets have dried up in recent years and the numbers reflect that. They probably needed to keep the freebies flowing for the foreseeable future. Originally CFG wanted SFC but the Russian's weren't too keen on selling. In an alternative reality if CFG had bought SFC, I reckon Heart would have probably had better growth if they had kept the Heart branding and found an owner that was happy to open the old wallet but didn't have the CFG baggage. Either way it was always going to be a slow growth situation for a second team based in Melbourne. We were never going to see a WSW thing happen in Melbourne as MV were already massive.
 
It’s Not just about attendances , tv viewers/sponsorships/ ground availability comes into play to.

Yep, the TV numbers would be diabolical at the moment so again i don't think that's a factor.

Not all clubs are impacted by ground availability. It would also force some of the clubs that need their own stadiums into acting upon it. I.E City and Roar.
 
Disappointing.
It would be interesting to see attendance figure year on year for MCY vs Nix. My gut feel is that the attendance figure is about average for these games as there aren't that many Nix followers although the away bay was quite noisy and almost full.
 
It's a bit of an interesting situation. Heart branding was bad (colours were ok though). City branding is worse due to CFG baggage and the light blue is the worst possible colour choice for a club based in Victoria. Heart on field results were rubbish whereas City results have been very good. They did experience some crowd growth during that great run of consecutive premierships but they were also handing out copious amounts of free tickets. Free tickets have dried up in recent years and the numbers reflect that. They probably needed to keep the freebies flowing for the foreseeable future. Originally CFG wanted SFC but the Russian's weren't too keen on selling. In an alternative reality if CFG had bought SFC, I reckon Heart would have probably had better growth if they had kept the Heart branding and found an owner that was happy to open the old wallet but didn't have the CFG baggage. Either way it was always going to be a slow growth situation for a second team based in Melbourne. We were never going to see a WSW thing happen in Melbourne as MV were already massive.
I would add that CFG are not big on fan base engagement either. Also, the fact that Heart were based at Epping, then moved to Bundoora and are now at Casey. Like wondering minstrels. Also the reason why K Bos moved across to MVC.
 
I would add that CFG are not big on fan base engagement either. Also, the fact that Heart were based at Epping, then moved to Bundoora and are now at Casey. Like wondering minstrels. Also the reason why K Bos moved across to MVC.
I don't think the training ground matters all that much. They play at AAMI, so as far as the fans (and potential fans) are concerned, they are based at AAMI and always have been.
 
It would be interesting to see attendance figure year on year for MCY vs Nix. My gut feel is that the attendance figure is about average for these games as there aren't that many Nix followers although the away bay was quite noisy and almost full.
The game was at 5:00 on a Friday atrocious scheduling. But it's the same story for years I don't think Melbourne city fans can argue we're alright not bunch the ones that do go. Aami is definitely to big for us
 
Aami is definitely to big for us
Yep, when you look at Adelaide, they play at a 15k venue and usually have it about 65-70% full. If they were playing at a 30k stadium, there is no way they would be getting those kind of consistent numbers as the atmosphere just wouldn't be the same.
 
Yep, the TV numbers would be diabolical at the moment so again i don't think that's a factor.

Not all clubs are impacted by ground availability. It would also force some of the clubs that need their own stadiums into acting upon it. I.E City and Roar.
When I say tv numbers, I really mean the amount of people buying a paramount subscription for the a-league. And we don't know those numbers
 
The game was at 5:00 on a Friday atrocious scheduling. But it's the same story for years I don't think Melbourne city fans can argue we're alright not bunch the ones that do go. Aami is definitely to big for us
Definitely AAMI is too big - and I suspect that it is too big for MVC for most games outside of the City, SFC and AU games. The advanatge that AAMI does have is that it is central and close to tram, bus and train station. Also, there is a nearby pub and food. I haven't been to Tarneit but I think that definitely means driving for me.
And the A-League ought to do better with their scheduling.
My original point was that even if the game had been scheduled for a Friday kick off of 7:30, the numbers may not have changed much. That is why looking at attendances over the years would determine whether things are worsening, static or improving.
 
I've taken a random year 2013-2014 and compared crowns to this season.

What is really noticeable is the huge drop off in BNE crowds (end of Ange era and too large a stadium?) and MVC (FA crackdown?). SFC and ADL have held up pretty well. MCI are down a bit (probably affected by smaller derby crowd because of MVC issues?). CCM are down but building off a low base after 5 or 6 lean years before their recent success and will probably end up at around 8,000 for the season. Glory had a good season in 2013-2014 and a poor one this year so their numbers are understandable. WSW also down markedly after their initial success and their Homebush sojourn.

It must be noted that this seasons figures are up around 21% on last season. 2013-2014 was probably the last real zenith so figures will look bad in comparison.

This season

ClubGamesTotalAverage+/-

AFC
6106,81417,802-

SFC
474,74318,68631%

WEL
446,63111,65830%

NUJ
322,2937,43130%

WUN
520,8494,17027%

MVC
566,15813,2328%

ADL
553,56910,7147%

MCI
435,7748,9445%

GLY
530,6936,1393%

WSW
662,93010,4882%

BNE
426,6686,667-1%

CCM
749,3367,048-3%

MAC
415,5713,893-8%
Total62612,0299,87121%


This season2013-2014
ClubGamesTotalAverageGamesTotalAverage+/-

AFC
6106,81417,802000100.00%

WUN
520,8494,170000100.00%

MAC
415,5713,893000100.00%

WEL
446,63111,65813106,4218,18629.78%

SFC
474,74318,68614261,54318,6820.02%

ADL
553,56910,71413145,92811,225-4.77%

MCI
435,7748,94414137,1879,799-9.56%

CCM
749,3367,04814131,5679,398-33.34%

WSW
662,93010,48813193,17714,860-41.69%

GLY
530,6936,13913122,4319,418-53.41%

NUJ
322,2937,43114167,28511,949-60.80%

MVC
566,15813,23213283,50721,808-64.81%

BNE
426,6686,66714209,39414,957-124.34%
Total:62612,0299,8711351,758,44013025-31.96%
 
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