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CentreHalf said:
It costs some clubs 50k or more to open the gates to the stadiums they play in. its 80k for Glory. What attendance figure do they need to hit to make money on a home game at HBF park?

The clubs don't want to extend the season. There is no room for it in the calendar in Australia.
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Are you an accountant, maybe? 🤔
 
libelous said:
Are you an accountant, maybe?
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CentreHalf said:
Nope, i just know a lot about the league, and who is running it.

Its about dollars and cents to a lot of people.
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The professional league in this country has had twenty years to get its sh*t together and it’s still the same old story.
Well there are people in the game who want progression, the APL can stay in it’s little bubble.
 
CentreHalf said:
Good point, yes i am.
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And as much as I don't like them you CAN'T begrudge them that attitude. They were sold a "product" that would make them a return on their investment, its only fair they conduct their private business the way the seem fit... We all just have to realise (like the MLS ) that Aleague is NOT interested in the same things many of us are.... national temas, health of our standings as a football nation, playing pools ect ect are all just numbers on a profit and loss statement.

"Emotional investment" is a marketing tool, not a way of being.... Sure many of them like the game, but they like dollaroonies more.
 
... and to make even more of you upset.... to put it mildly, if the APL could get the same revenue(or better) than they do now and NOT have to play any football to do so .... they WOULD.... Get angry as much as you like, you all know its true.
 
CentreHalf said:
Lets think about this logically for a moment.

Off season in Australia should absolutely not be 10 weeks. There is no where near the interest in the A-league to play it over a 42 week period of the year. You will get crowds of 500 people to matches.

Are you saying they should still start in October?

Im genuinely curious as to how you think this would work
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Small minded thinking. If you want to be like the rest of the world, then play as many weeks as them.
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
... and to make even more of you upset.... to put it mildly, if the APL could get the same revenue(or better) than they do now and NOT have to play any football to do so .... they WOULD.... Get angry as much as you like, you all know its true.
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That’s why we need those people at club level who are willing to invest in football for football’s sake.
 
Got clarity on the a league ratings and the effect of expansion. On this ratijg system there is maybe 100-140 points between divisions. The a league declined 25 points during the last 6 years due to expansion diluting the talent and almost all leagues outside the big 5 declining relative to them. Taking into account the improvement of the big 5 supressing everyones ratings the a leagues decline due to expansion of 2 teams is about 15, or one tenth of a division. This is pretty small and i think its worth expanding by an extra few to get the extra player pathways
 
someguyjc said:
Rush? The NST has been brewing for at least a decade now, probably more. It's been one of the slowest progressing things in Australian football, second only to WU's shovel-ready stadium. What foundation? Australian clubs all over the country have been screaming for a second division. One of the only reason the NST has any traction at all is because 30 fed up clubs got together, formed a group, all chipped in thousands of dollars, invested time to write a proposal and applied pressure to FA. Are these clubs not part of the foundation?
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Yep. Been brewing for so long because the FA have done sweet eff all to secure that foundation. If anything, you are proving my point. The FA have been very hapless at ensuring the future of football in this country that clubs had to revolt. You now want that same FA to run a 2nd tier of football when they are doing a shit job of running the 1st tier.
 
The FA are not running APL since the unbundling.

You got to step back a bit, Johnson only took over from 2020.
Don't forget the game the last 20yrs been managed by Lowy/AL AND they weren't going to help grow anything below AL so thats your ongoing sweet f all mess right there.
Apart from the NPL Clubs pushing the NST barrow Johnson as CEO agreed this needs to go ahead for Football in the country and further below.
He wants to see P/R introduced as well - go find all the articles.
His issues are trying to get all factors come to party, PFA, Feds, you name it and then we have the APL putting in their stop signs.

Sure its a right royal mess but its all there, the old Clubs survived 20yrs in the doldrums and will for ever and a day - I keep saying to you you got to start somewhere, bit by bit the probs will get dealt with, the under lying ones come to surface, again can be dealt with.
Rome wasn't built in a day as they say.
 
zimbos05 said:
Yep. Been brewing for so long because the FA have done sweet eff all to secure that foundation. If anything, you are proving my point. The FA have been very hapless at ensuring the future of football in this country that clubs had to revolt. You now want that same FA to run a 2nd tier of football when they are doing a shit job of running the 1st tier.
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I don't think that is the reason for the delay

The fa said 6 clubs met the technical criteria but couldnt stump up 500k in cash. The original 31 clubs that submitted the proposal for the afc would likely have all been ready if not for that 500k criteria
 
zimbos05 said:
Yep. Been brewing for so long because the FA have done sweet eff all to secure that foundation. If anything, you are proving my point. The FA have been very hapless at ensuring the future of football in this country that clubs had to revolt. You now want that same FA to run a 2nd tier of football when they are doing a shit job of running the 1st tier.
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Your argument is so full of holes that I can’t be bothered with any meaningful response.
 
grazorblade said:
I don't think that is the reason for the delay

The fa said 6 clubs met the technical criteria but couldnt stump up 500k in cash. The original 31 clubs that submitted the proposal for the afc would likely have all been ready if not for that 500k criteria
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One of the points was that an NST would automatically make them professional along with all the clubs. If only 6 clubs can afford the 500k, how then would that satisfy that point?

LFC said:
The FA are not running APL since the unbundling.


Sure its a right royal mess but its all there, the old Clubs survived 20yrs in the doldrums and will for ever and a day - I keep saying to you you got to start somewhere, bit by bit the probs will get dealt with, the under lying ones come to surface, again can be dealt with.
Rome wasn't built in a day as they say.
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I knew the unbundling would be brought up. This actually adds more weight to the lack of resources.

And like I've said so many times, I don't disagree with many of the points being made. I'm simply talking from my own views, experience, and understandings. From covering the A-League for 10 years. From covering the EPL and working at an EPL club. From my dealings with FQ and other governing bodies. The bit by bit needs to be done. I just don't think that that bit is the NST in the mould that everyone seems to envision it.

libelous said:
Your argument is so full of holes that I can’t be bothered with any meaningful response.
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You can think that. I'm not going to lose sleep over it. I know the documents I've seen and the conversations I've had
 
zimbos05 said:
One of the points was that an NST would automatically make them professional along with all the clubs. If only 6 clubs can afford the 500k, how then would that satisfy that point?



I knew the unbundling would be brought up. This actually adds more weight to the lack of resources.

And like I've said so many times, I don't disagree with many of the points being made. I'm simply talking from my own views, experience, and understandings. From covering the A-League for 10 years. From covering the EPL and working at an EPL club. From my dealings with FQ and other governing bodies. The bit by bit needs to be done. I just don't think that that bit is the NST in the mould that everyone seems to envision it.


You can think that. I'm not going to lose sleep over it. I know the documents I've seen and the conversations I've had
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Well you’re not setting it out in a very clear way.
 
zimbos05 said:
One of the points was that an NST would automatically make them professional along with all the clubs. If only 6 clubs can afford the 500k, how then would that satisfy that point?
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Sorry, I don't follow here. Could you reword?
 
libelous said:
Well you’re not setting it out in a very clear way.
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libelous was unnecessarily hostile imo, but I do agree I'm having trouble following your logic of why any of the points you raise are in favour of not doing an nst. Maybe I'm misinterpreting you

as for expansion, I think the main point you had was dilution. The fa released some data on the dilution effect of expanding by two teams and the dilution effect was tiny (I followed up with specifics. The quality in 6 years decline due to expansion by roughly a tenth of the gap between the eredivisie/jupiler league/championship and league one, for the benefit of a minimum of 12 extra starting spots for aussies each week and 40 extra pro contracts)
 
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