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Green & Gold FC Podcast #3 – SMFC Mike & Pete

Sharkman84 said:
Yep and Ustase chants.



If these bellends went back to Croatia and pulled that off they'd be told where to go.

They have this old fashioned mentality from that period when those countries moved on a long time ago.

Josip Simunic did the same salute a decade or so ago and got rightfully pilloried for it.
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Learn your history, Za Dom Spremni, became way before WW2.

They used the war cry in the civil war in the 90s as well, and still use it today.

theres another thread about this elsewhere, im not gonna derail it you with dumbcunt
 
Sharkman84 said:
Yep and Ustase chants.



If these bellends went back to Croatia and pulled that off they'd be told where to go.

They have this old fashioned mentality from that period when those countries moved on a long time ago.

Josip Simunic did the same salute a decade or so ago and got rightfully pilloried for it.
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what a crowd, Beautiful to see :love:
 
Beretta said:
Learn your history, Za Dom Spremni, became way before WW2.

They used the war cry in the civil war in the 90s as well, and still use it today.

theres another thread about this elsewhere, im not gonna derail it you with dumbcunt
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Ah personal insults well done, give yourself a pat on the back. 🤪

You've got absolutely nothing when you resort to insults.
 
Beretta said:
Learn your history, Za Dom Spremni, became way before WW2.

They used the war cry in the civil war in the 90s as well, and still use it today.

theres another thread about this elsewhere, im not gonna derail it you with dumbcunt
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I don't know my history but when I Google it says it's a racist taunt so if they gonna be racist fuck them
 
Beretta said:
Learn your history, Za Dom Spremni, became way before WW2.

They used the war cry in the civil war in the 90s as well, and still use it today.

theres another thread about this elsewhere, im not gonna derail it you with dumbcunt
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I don't think that's the issue though. Is this not similar to Indian fans at the cricket waving swastika flags? Culturally significant to them, but unbelievably insensitive, distasteful and moronic like this.
 
HappyGuus said:
I don't think that's the issue though. Is this not similar to Indian fans at the cricket waving swastika flags? Culturally significant to them, but unbelievably insensitive, distasteful and moronic like this.
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so should we drop our history (Za Dom Spremni) cause it might be offensive to others? its Culturally Significant to us and don't expect it to change.

Whether or not you see it again in a "sporting arena" is yet to be seen. Personally the hurt it has on the club these days, i'd steer away from it.
 
Beretta said:
Well the FA could of excluded Sydney United from the Competition for all these reasons. But they didnt, they know they need us and we tick all the criteria boxes.

😗
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Well it's going to fail again then. Nazis are bad I'd feel safer at a league game then a nst at least the a league fans want to bash me for plastic team rather than who I am as a person
 
Beretta said:
Learn your history, Za Dom Spremni, became way before WW2.

They used the war cry in the civil war in the 90s as well, and still use it today.

theres another thread about this elsewhere, im not gonna derail it you with dumbcunt
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Is this just an example of people hiding behind an 'older history' to justify what is essentially intended to be the Croatian equivalent of a nazi salute?

Is it intended by those who use it in that context, or am I missing something?

It was used by Croatian fascists who committed genocidal campaigns against Serbs, Jews and Romani.

At best its use seems tone deaf.

The older history seems kinda tenuous.

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Quicky said:
Is this just an example of people hiding behind an 'older history' to justify what is essentially intended to be the Croatian equivalent of a nazi salute?

Is it intended by those who use it in that context, or am I missing something?

It was used by Croatian fascists who committed genocidal campaigns against Serbs, Jews and Romani.

At best its use seems tone deaf.

The older history seems kinda tenuous.

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A court in Knin has dismissed as unfounded a case in which a policeman claimed that businessman Jakov Marković was in breach of Article 37 Clause 2 of Public Gatherings Act 1999 for having exhibited and sold souvenirs with “Za Dom Spremni” written on them.

The Clause of the Act refers to breaches if a person who in a public gathering wears garments, parts of garments, clothes, badges or other signs with which he/she calls for or incites war or the use of violence, or national, racial or religious hatred or any other kind of intolerance.

The court found that the salutation “Za Dom Spremni” (For Home – Ready) has been known throughout the whole of the Croatian history, from the times of Nikola Subic Zrinski (1556 – 1566), and as such it does not signify any so called “Ustashe attribute” with which it is most likely burdened.

One expects an outcry in association with this court ruling not only in Croatia but in some “Western” media as well. Such outcry and opposition is likely to come only from those who do not objectively look at the whole history and its facts but have wanted and want to paint the whole of Croatian history as fascist. The Ustashas of WWII Croatia had adopted the salutation and it has thus been wickedly portrayed solely as a Nazi salutation. But not all Croatia was Ustashi run. The same stigma to Croatian history has throughout past two decades been put by some western media through the Croatian Currency “Kuna” and to the Croatian flag with red-white check-board, which also have roots in deep proud history, long before WWII.

Thank God someone in authority in Croatia (the court in Knin) has spoken in defence of the salutation and its true original and historical meaning: ready to defend our homeland against any oppressor, invader, enemy … “For Home – Ready to Die”.

This salutation was used in historical times including times of Nikola Subic Zrinski in battles against the Turks/Ottoman (1556 – 1566.) and hundreds of years later in times of Ban Josip Jelacic (1850’s) during times of Austrian Empire when Croatia wanted autonomy and harsh battles fought. Ina Vukic, Prof. (Zgb), B.A.,M.A.Ps. (Syd)
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Nikola Šubić Zrinski used this salute in his glorious death in the march against the Ottoman Empire in the 16th Century where Suleiman I died
It was also used by our most known Ban (vice-king) during the war against Hungary Josip Jelačić

The salute is used regularly for CENTURIES in the opera ‘Nikola Šubić Zrinski’ which is also performed on universities abroad, even in Japan

It was then used by the Ustashe from 1941.-1945. which this issue is about.

It was also used from 1990.-1995. by Croats and Muslims from Bosnia in defense against the Serbian invasion by the Croatian Defense Force paramilitary group, which fought on the hardest of battlefields and marched to certain death even in Vukovar where the official army forbade them to come, and even imprisoned them.

The Croatian people that support the salute don’t believe it’s a fascist salute but an old Croatian salute and thats why majority will always say it. it's the western media and the left that have taken it out of context. The name "Za Dom Spremni" only means for the home land ready. there is nothing hateful about it.
 
Beretta said:
Nikola Šubić Zrinski used this salute in his glorious death in the march against the Ottoman Empire in the 16th Century where Suleiman I died
It was also used by our most known Ban (vice-king) during the war against Hungary Josip Jelačić

The salute is used regularly for CENTURIES in the opera ‘Nikola Šubić Zrinski’ which is also performed on universities abroad, even in Japan

It was then used by the Ustashe from 1941.-1945. which this issue is about.

It was also used from 1990.-1995. by Croats and Muslims from Bosnia in defense against the Serbian invasion by the Croatian Defense Force paramilitary group, which fought on the hardest of battlefields and marched to certain death even in Vukovar where the official army forbade them to come, and even imprisoned them.

The Croatian people that support the salute don’t believe it’s a fascist salute but an old Croatian salute and thats why majority will always say it. it's the western media and the left that have taken it out of context. The name "Za Dom Spremni" only means for the home land ready. there is nothing hateful about it.
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Bullshit excuse after bullshit excuse
 
my answers were above, if you dont want to accept it, its your problem.

ZDS.
 
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